Nicole Parsons: Hi, welcome to the Pain-Free Podcast with Nicole Parsons. Today I have one of my clients with me who’s going to share his story of his journey with Egoscue with us. So welcome, Luke. Thank you for joining me.
Luke Maddocks: Hi.
Nicole Parsons: Hey, so Luke, could you start by just, well, first of all, just a little bit about who you are and what you do, and then also what brought you to Egoscue.
Luke Maddocks: Okay, sure. So my name is Luke Maddocks. I am 40 years old and I work as a doctor. So I started working with you, Nicole nearly a year ago. So last March I went on a course where I was sitting a lot and I sit a lot in my job. It’s a sedentary job. And my low back, the muscles and my gluteal region and hip just went into complete spasm. And by that I mean that I had crippling pain. I was limping. I couldn’t get comfortable. I couldn’t sleep. I was driving the car for like 30 minutes and then having to stop and get out because I was in so much pain. And so it was a really bad episode of pain. I had to have time off of work, I had to take painkillers, which I didn’t really want to be taking. So opioid painkillers
And that was not by any means the first time that I’d had episodes like that. So I had been living with back pain of some degree since I was a teenager. So it had kind of become a constant companion in some degree with episode where it was really bad. And I’ve had MRI scans of my neck because in my 20s I had months of neck pain with nerve pain going down my arms. So I know I have disc problems in my neck. And then that sort of eased over the years and the pain became more frequently in my low back and gluteal region. But it would be crippling. So I’d have spells of weeks where I was limping and just uncomfortable the whole time. And I’d gradually stopped doing things that I loved. So hill walking had stopped. Karate had stopped. I still managed to ski somehow but I would only do short trips.
And I was definitely limited by pain in my knees and pain in my back. So it was affecting all walks of my life a year ago and I tried various different things. So I’m very good friends with a chiropractor. She’s a very, very good chiropractor who I trust and I know she’s good at her job and she would definitely be able to help me out of those episodes. But it would take time and it would always come back. I tried acupuncture, I tried physio, I tried various things over the years and I spent a fortune on osteopaths and chiropractors and nothing had worked. And I think I just sort of got to a stage where I was giving up on my hobbies and thinking that this was it.
And I know that sort of progression. I know the progression of knee pain into osteoarthritis, into a knee replacement at 50 or 60. I see people go through that progression. I tried standard physiotherapy, which I know for some people works to some degree and I know that there are studies which show physiotherapy has good effect on things like knee pain, but it hadn’t by any means, affected my knee pain. I just had to stop doing the walks that I loved. So basically someone said to try Egoscue and I was desperate for any other solution that I hadn’t tried and I Googled it. I found Nicole Parsons and I phoned you and I was lucky enough to just move into a canceled appointment virtually straight away because you had a cancellation. And we started working together.
Nicole Parsons: Great. Yeah, I remember the initial consultation and that’s … A large part of your goal was to get back to being active again and to reclaim all of the activities that you love doing and that quality of life. And the pain in your hips, in your knee, in your neck, in your back were really affecting your quality of life.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: So what was it about Egoscue that made you … And I totally agree with you that there is that desperation of, I will try anything right now because I’m in so much pain. But what made you think Egoscue may be worth giving a go?
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, good question. So I mean, one it was, I was in so much pain. I just booked it. I didn’t actually know that much about Egoscue. But my idea of health is a bit different to most doctors, I think. And for ages, I’ve been speaking to professionals and saying, “I think I can …” I’ve got a friend, for example, who’s a podiatrist. He makes people insoles. And he recommended insoles for me and we talked about this quite a lot and I was saying, “I’m sure that I can remodel that.” I get that my gait is terrible and I get that my arches are fallen and all of that, but he could see in my feet. And I was saying, “Well, surely I can change that.” And he just sort of laughed and said, “Go and try.” And he didn’t think it was possible at all.
And I’ve been sure that my body can remodel and I didn’t have to live in the discomfort. But I’d not found something that worked and that’s … I really hadn’t found anything that worked. And then I came and saw you and I started then understanding what Egoscue meant. Probably should have been the other way round but that was the way it was around for me. And it just fitted with me because if you look at things that Pete Egoscue is saying and what you were saying, you don’t have to have that pain and you can restructure your body so that it works in a natural, healthy way. And that’s something that I’m really strong in trying to teach to my own patients. It’s possible for the body to change if we give it the right conditions.
Nicole Parsons: I hear that and that’s … What I’m hearing is that belief in the blueprint or the design of the human musculoskeletal system, that it’s not broken.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: It isn’t broken, it’s not weak, it’s not fragile, it’s not a faulty design, it’s an amazingly designed piece of biomechanics that is evolved to the environment. It first became upright and that was a few million years ago. In the last 200 years, our environment’s changed exponentially. And so this wonderfully designed, adapted system finds itself in an environment that it hasn’t had a chance to evolve to adapt to. And we don’t want it to adapt to our modern technology based environment but what I was hearing in that is your belief in the original default setting of the body and that you can retrain it. So yes, I think that’s what we sort of connected on it in that initial session.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: So moving on from there. So in that initial session, I was looking at your postural alignment. So it was taking that map of your body to see where had your body compensated and found a solution for the environment that it had found itself in with all of the injuries and illness and medical history that had brought you to that point. And I know, I remember you’ve had a really active childhood with riding bikes and all sorts of activities and a couple of impact injuries along the way.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, there were a few. Well, I think I was a mixture issue, Nicole. So I don’t want to give people the impression that I was already a fitness freak and it might sound that way, but I wasn’t. I definitely was active. I did things like motocross and mountain biking and skiing, but I never really did regular exercise. I like hill walking, but I probably wasn’t fit enough to be doing what I wanted to do. And I lived a pretty sedentary lifestyle from teenage on. I mean, I gave up team sports when I didn’t have to do them anymore at school. So I probably stopped those at 15, 16 and I didn’t do much for a decade.
And I don’t think that helped me at all. I was young and foolish so I didn’t have the concept that I really needed to look after my body. I had some foolish concept that it would all be replaceable or treatable with a tablet, which is a complete fallacy. So I don’t want people to have the idea that I was a fitness freak. I wasn’t at all. I was living the average sedentary life and I was in pain because of it.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. I agree and I hear that. And it’s that knowing that you wanted to get back to activity and enjoy activity without having pain in your body.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah. I also wanted to be able to live day to day without pain in my body because I was in pain all the time. And it wasn’t until we started working and things started to improve that I noticed all the pain. So I had these, more like, the big pains as I call them, which eclipsed everything else. And I also had all of these little aches and niggles, which were there continuously and I was living in what I would diagnose now as chronic pain. I just didn’t even really realize it. I turned the volume down so much on my pain control because of the big pains, I didn’t realize everything that was out. Out meaning everything that was out of alignment and grumbling.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. Absolutely. It amazes me Luke, that the amount of pain that people live with that is seen as “normal” or it’s just seen as something that we accept that, well, everyone has aches and pains and this is something that we don’t have to live with. It is very common. So we see it in almost everyone that we know we could ask and they would have some kind of ache and pain.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: But it is not normal. A healthy, balanced correctly posturally aligned musculoskeletal system does not have pain. It is pain-free and fully functional. We do turn the pain down and part of that is just getting on with life that, as you say, when you’ve got huge … we wait until pains actually stop us from being able to perform our daily tasks before they’re seen as pain. Do you understand what I mean by that is those little grumbles and niggles are not seen as pain, but they’re just the early warning signs, aren’t they?
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: It’s just if we’ve got a pain scale of nought to 10, naught is pain-free, functional body, 10 is complete debilitation and most people are in the ranges of five, six, sevens, eights to nines before they actually come to seek help. But everything from zero up to five is pain. It’s our body telling us that it’s out of alignment. Those joints and tissues are under stress and it’s letting us know that something needs to be changed. So yes, it’s amazing that as your pain reduces, you suddenly realize actually how severe the situation was.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, very much so. And I can just back that up by my own experience. The amount of opioid painkiller, nonsteroidal painkillers, steroids, neuropathic painkillers that I deal out as a doctor is phenomenal. It’d be an interesting audit to see what proportion of my patients are on one or more of those groups. And it’s high. And I get people come and see me and I’ve referred them to the physio, I’ve referred them to the orthopedic surgeon and I’ve referred them to the pain clinic, to the pain specialist and they’ve had all of those painkillers. They’ve had spinal injections. They’re looking at whether they have electrical neuromodulators fitted into their spine. And it’s crazy. Most of those people, they don’t have a convincing diagnosis and they may have MRIs with changes.
But those often, they don’t correlate with the pain that the person feels. And they get labeled as a chronic pain syndrome by pain specialist, which basically means you’re in a lot of pain and we don’t know why as doctors, because doctors are resorting to … Well, they’re basing things on that belief system that the body is going to wear out and it’s going to need cutting up and having metal bits put in it at some point. And that’s kind of inevitable.
That’s the medical paradigm for most doctors and that permeates our system, is that’s an inevitable process. And I think that a Eureka moment for me was coming into your clinic just desperate for a solution, and you listening to all of the injuries I’d had and all of the pain that I was in and analyzing my posture and you looked me in the eye and were okay with it. And you’re like, “Yeah, I can work with this and we can get where you want to be. We can get you walking again and we can get you pain-free.” And I believed you and I’m glad I did because I’ve invested my time and my money in that process and it’s proven to work.
Nicole Parsons: That’s amazing Luke. And it really is that belief in the human musculoskeletal system and the innate healing capacity of the body. If the patterns of the body have been disrupted either by injury or by environment, the body is an adaptable system and it’s the reason why we are the most … one of the reasons why we are the most prevalent species on the planet is because we can adapt to literally any environment.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: And if our body can adapt to a dysfunctional environment, it has the capacity to be retrained and those neuromuscular pathways to be reset. We have to analyze it, see what is the individual compensation of that. That’s one person. And then from knowing where your body has gone when it compensates, we can then give it a step by step process of moving back to balance again, by sending a message from your brain to the muscles, correcting the neuromuscular pathway back to its default setting or the correct wiring of the body. So we can reset that system.
And can we reset it a hundred percent back to its factory setting? Well, no, it’s an adaptable intelligent system and actually it doesn’t have to be at 100% to be fully functional and pain-free and enjoying pain-free movement, but it can deal with the layers and layers and layers and of compensation that we get from that dysfunctional environment and all of the history. So it’s just knowing that if we put our time and focus on finding out what the root cause of the problem is, understanding the system and then giving it step by step simple instructions, we can reset that system. So yeah.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, it is possible. I keep telling people, but most of them don’t listen to me. I think when you’re in the big pain, as I call it, people just want it to go away. And the relationship with it is, it’s like an enemy that just needs to be kicked out of the body and that the pain itself is the problem. But it’s not, and that was the great thing. In that initial session, you did your analysis and you sat down with me and said, “Well, this is where you’re out of alignment and I’m going to help you correct that.” And you took the focus off the pain and moved it to the alignment and what we were going to do about it. That gradually changed my relationship with pain. I mean, I’d love to tell people a little bit about where I’ve got to. I don’t know when you want me to do that.
Nicole Parsons: So yeah, absolutely. So well, just us about your journey.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah. Well, I’ll be honest, where am I at right now? We’re nearly a year down the line. Am I completely pain-free right now? The answer is no. I actually have a little niggle that we’ve been talking about and working on in my left … where my collar bone joins my sternum. That joint’s bothering me a little bit. But that’s all I have right now. I’m sat in an upright chair with the right supportive cushions, which we talked about. And I’ve got those and I’m sat upright like people would walk in and be like, “Wow, this …” People do, they say … they walk into my office at work and talk about my posture in a positive way, because I’m sat in perfect posture right now. And yeah, I’ve got that little niggle, but that’s not something that I need to get rid of. My relationship with it is, oh, it’s telling me to correct where my shoulders are.
And that’s something that I’m still working on. But over all I’m 90% better. Today is one out of 10. When I came to see you a year ago, it was 10 out of 10. And you gave me a set of very simple exercises or postures. They weren’t really exercises at the beginning. Within a few days I was functional and I was back to work. And within a few weeks we’d got me what felt pain-free at the time. We had gone from 10 down to three, I think, on the pain scales that you were checking on. I had a routine that was the sort of rescue routine. If I felt the spasm coming in the low back and gluteal region, I got down on the floor and I did 15 minutes of those postures and it kept me out of that big pain. It kept me out of that, I can’t function pain.
And then we started working on other routines that were going to keep me out of that dysfunctional state. And then I started realizing all these little niggles and I started feeling my body in a very different way and becoming aware of where I was stressing it, of where I wasn’t looking after it with my posture. And things started to change pretty rapidly. But is it you take a tablet and the pain is gone? No, it doesn’t work like that. But then none of the tablets that I can prescribe for people work like that either. Most of them just give people side effects and don’t work. So yeah, it’s completely changed my relationship with pain. This little niggle that I have right now is actually a friend helping me to correct my shoulder posture.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. It’s feedback.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: Pain is not something to be feared, it’s something to be understood because it’s communication from our body. Our body only has one form of communication that we can pick up and it’s pain on a physical level. And one of the things that we sort of went through early on was that distinction between when I feel pain in my body, is it in one of these three categories? Is it muscle work pain? So that’s painful, but it’s a positive working sensation in my body. Muscle stretch pain also can be painful if you stretch your hamstrings. That hurts but you have the set very firm sense that it’s positive. And then there’s symptomatic pain.
And so as you say, that relationship changes with pain as you start to learn how to listen in to your body because at the beginning you turned your sensitivity to pain down so much because there was so much, what I would call, background noise or static with the pain and the big pains that you had to turn it down just to function because there was no solution. And then as we start to go into the root cause of the issue, correcting your posture, correcting the alignment, correcting the incorrect loading on the joints that’s causing the stress on all of the tissues, you start to be able to listen to that pain and then understand, is it telling me to continue on, as in I’m changing something positive in my body. And that symptomatic pain becomes your rumble strips or as you say, your friend that is giving you the absolute pace that is right for your body.
You’re allowing your body to lead the process because you’re listening to the feedback, the live in the moment feedback that you’re getting from your body. And then that relationship becomes one that you can then move forwards resetting and rebalancing your body and knowing when you’ve done too much to ease back a little or as you say, you had those exercises. We had our kind of rescue exercises that if the big pain came on you said, “Right, I am now in control of this process. I now have something positive I can do to reduce my pain scale by resetting my body in the moment somewhere.”
Luke Maddocks: Yeah. And it quickly became pretty rare that that would come on. It’s been months since I was limping because of pain, months and months. And what I get now is I notice that that gluteal region is getting a bit tight and I can hear that early signal and I start doing the exercises. I don’t get into broken state anymore. It’s been months since I’ve been like that. So one of the things that’s really interesting was I remember you giving me … You take a very holistic approach. First of all, you gave me that set of exercises, which was like a treatment plan. When I’ve got the pain, what do I do to get out of it?
We started to look at different areas. So you looked at how I was sitting at my desk at work and we started correcting that. And you gave me exercises to do while sitting. I can be stuck at the desk for 10 hours a day quite easily. And you gave me the exercise, it’s basically sitting up straight at the desk with your shoulders held back and I couldn’t actually do it. I couldn’t sit up straight for a whole minute. I had to work up to a minute of sitting upright. So how broken was my body that it couldn’t even sit upright? It’s not broken. But how dysfunctional was my body that I couldn’t sit upright. And now I sit upright all the time. I don’t break that. So basically the exercise that you wanted me to do for a minute, I now do continuously. And that’s just become part of normality for me.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. You have reset your body to its default setting.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: And that takes time and training the muscles. But once they’re there, it’s their natural state. It’s the most efficient position for your body. Your body had only adopted the compensated position because it was the best solution it could find. It couldn’t reach the efficient position so it was doing the best it could. And once you give the body that reminder and training for those muscles, it’s happy there. That’s where it wants to live, because it’s the lowest stress position for the body as well.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: So yes. And absolutely Luke, there’s no point in giving somebody exercises if you don’t look at their whole life. We have to look at, if you’re using a desk, we’ve got to give you a solution for your desk environment. If you’re exercising, a solution for your exercise environment. And then that foundation program, which is your reset program, which you do all the way through to step your body back to correct alignment again. So it’d be great to share the great success that you’ve had as well. So where have you been recently?
Luke Maddocks: Okay. Yeah, the process is called pain-free. So everybody wants to get pain-free, but that happened and I’ve told people where I’m at with pain, but there’s also been a load of other benefits. And we’ve talked about pain, we’ve talked about the postural correction, and you recently sent me my first postural alignment pitches so I could put them alongside the up-to-date ones. And I’m quite disgusted with how I used to look. So I’ve lost weight, I look better. I’m standing and looking in a much more confident posture. My relationship with pain has changed and I’m pretty much pain-free, if you want to label it like that. And I’m fit now. So I started wanting to do exercise and you helped me to design a routine to get myself fit, which fitted into the limited time that I have. And I’m fit.
Since I was a kid, I’ve been obsessed with skiing and I’ve always wanted to do a skiing instructor course, but in all honestly, I’ve written it off and said, I can’t do that. Maybe I can do a week of skiing but then my knees won’t do anymore. And I’ve been saying that for years. So that’s changed. And I went to Canada and I spent five weeks doing an intensive skiing course. And I’ve just come back from that having achieved a childhood dream. I’m now a ski instructor for what that’s difficult work but I am. More importantly, I can ski to the level that I want to ski to and I can ski all day and I can ski six days a week because you insisted I had rest days. And I just managed five weeks of skiing. And that’s a lifelong achievement that I wouldn’t have done without this year of working with you.
Nicole Parsons: It’s a huge achievement Luke, and it’s down to function. I remember the day when you came to me and said, “Do you know what? I think I’m going to book myself in for skiing instructors course that I’ve been wanting to do for years.” And that’s when I know that your body is functioning because you have the confidence in it, that as you said, you’ve wanted to do this before but you didn’t have the underlying function and confidence in your body and you had that function and confidence to move towards it.
And then it was just a very simple case of putting together a program that made sure that we increased the load of your functions so that you had a good baseline for going skiing and improved your cardio fitness. And really such an amazing achievement for you and I’m so happy for you to be able to enjoy that. But the truth of it is, it doesn’t really have a huge amount to do with me. It is teamwork. However, you have done your exercises pretty much every day for the last year. And so just to get that timeline, you came back from your ski instructors course January time, didn’t you?
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, basically I was away the whole of January. So we worked from March to December. I met you in March last year, so whatever that is, nine months, eight, nine months of working together. And I booked it in September. Whatever, in March.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah.
Luke Maddocks: Six months of treatment and I was booking ski instructor course. I was looking at being able to do five weeks of intensive exercise. If you look at the skiing I’ve just done, it’s intense, like really intense.
Nicole Parsons: I saw some photos. It was, what I would call hardcore.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah. It’s as extreme as I’m going to get. It’s not learning the basics. I’ve just done a pretty extreme exercise course for five weeks and I booked that six months after working with you. In that six months, I’ve gone from not being able to go in and do my work, not even being able to sit at a desk to booking a five week exercise course. And that’s pretty phenomenal. I don’t see that transformation in my workplace, in my patients. None of them get that. Sad fact, but it’s true. And I look better, I feel better. There’s a bit of a trick is that I was lucky in that I contacted you and you just fitted me into a cancellation, so I didn’t look at the website. I think you normally would have made people be much more aware of what they were getting into, right?
Nicole Parsons: Oh yes. Usually, everyone has to have a half an hour consultation with me. There’s a whole process, but it was one of those things that just … it worked on the day kind of thing.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, it kind of. It wasn’t your normal way of doing it. So I kind of came into it not knowing what I would have to do and if you’d asked me or if someone had said to me, “Luke, I can get you better but you’re going to have to dedicate yourself to doing exercises and you’re going to have to do this and that.” I might have not bothered looking with you. I’ll be honest, because I would have probably talked myself out of it. I’d said, “Well, I don’t have time to do that. I don’t have time to get there. I’m not committed to the exercise around my work. I work a 50 hour week.” I’d come up with all these excuses of why I couldn’t do it, but I was lucky enough that I was in enough pain and I got into that cancellation slot and I just went with it.
So I think the people who think they’re not fit enough to do it, or they’re not dedicated enough to do it, I don’t think you know what you’re capable of, it’s what I’d say to them. I didn’t know what I was capable of and I had all of the excuses. And the excuses were valid because I couldn’t have done that ski instructor course a year ago. I would have injured myself. I would have not been capable of doing it or I would have come out with injury because you have to be fit to do that safely. But the side effect of doing the programs that you’ve given me has got me fit and healthy.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah, absolutely. We are really clear about this. This is not a quick fix. It’s not you get immediate results and as you said, within a couple of weeks you were back to functioning again. But this is a process and I think what it is when I talk about the teamwork is my part as your coach and therapist is to make sure that those programs fit around your lifestyle. And we’ve had plenty of conversations and you’ve said, “Okay, this program is not working because I’ve got X, Y and Z going on.” And so we’ve tailored it and adjusted it so that you’re getting the benefit from the exercises and it flows in with your life. With dedication, you’ve had to organize your life to fit them in. But then we’ve also organized the exercises so they fit into your life. Does that make sense?
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, definitely. And you helped me to get me to fit it into my levels of motivation and helped me fit it into my timetable and fit it into my head, I think. Because yeah, it’s actually been pretty easy for me. And I have been a guy who’s had aspirations to do regular exercise plenty of times. I’ve had that get fit new year’s resolution quite a few times and it’s not happened. But working with you, it has, I’d be honest about it.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. It’s teamwork, you putting in the time and also getting results as well, I think. When you’re putting in time and dedication to doing exercises, for me the thing with the Egoscue exercises or the posture alignment exercises is that you feel better in the moment when you do them, as in when you have finished doing that one program, you stand up and your body feels more aligned and you feel better in your body. And then over time you can see that progress. And so that gives you the motivation to keep going as well.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah. I’ll be honest, in the last week, I haven’t even really … there’s not been any of those old, oh, I should do exercise. I can’t be bothered today. It’s just been, oh, it’s time to do my exercise today. Or it actually is, I’m looking for time to do it. I’m like, I need to do it. When can I fit it in? Because I want to do it. And that’s a first for me. Exercise has always been something that I’ve dragged myself to do. It’s like an unwilling victim of the side of me that wants to be fit. I’ve just looked through what we’re talking about, because people are going to … maybe they’re going to think they can’t do it. So the exercises that you give come on an app, a slightly clunky app, but it’s all there and it works pretty well.
And over the last year, you’ve actually given me 31 different exercise routines. So you’ve adapted it 31 times. You’ve adapted them a lot more than that, but you’ve given me 31 actually new routines. To do the skiing, you gave me, I think five around that. So I had exercise routines leading up to it. We had a fitness plan. And then I had morning routine before skiing and a routine when I got back and a routine on my day off and all of that was designed, Nicole. So yeah, I’ve had to do it, but I couldn’t have designed those routines for myself because I don’t have the expertise. I know quite a lot about the human body but you’ve got the expertise to tell me what to do. And it’s pretty simple, all I have to do is speak to you, you design the routine, it appears in my app and I just have to open it up and do it. That’s actually pretty easy, right?
Nicole Parsons: Yeah, that sounds pretty simple. And it is. And that’s why I keep coming back to that teamwork that it’s … I need to make sure the routines are designed and I’m listening to the feedback from your body and then your part of the deal is you turn up and do them and this is what’s possible. Going from limping and not being able to walk down the corridor at work, not being able to sit at work, being in constant chronic pain, to six months later undertaking a three months of function and fitness training to get you to fulfill a lifelong dream of becoming a ski instructor.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. I think that’s something that’s inspiring for everyone, Luke. And it is down to dedication and time. But I think what we’ve highlighted here is that this is about if you understand that the human body has that healing capacity, if you’re willing to put the time in and invest your time and your money in it, then … because it is a commitment on both fronts. This is the returns that you get. But the way that I look at it is, it’s for life.
So you will be doing maintenance programs and you now understand your body, and the feedback from your body and the exercises. So you are actually not going to need me. I’m still here, but you now have … As you say, it is part of your life. It’s now just a habit and a routine of … like brushing your teeth. You look after your posture because you see the value and the benefit and the returns on it. And this is for you having this amazing result now of putting the work in and getting that wonderful goal of achieving your dream. And it’s money in the bank for your 60s, your 70s, your 80s. So it’s then making sure that you’re able to enjoy longevity and have that life … So you’ve got a lifespan, but you also have quality of life within that lifespan. And you can be active in your … enjoy that activity in your later years.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, that is the goal. Without doubt. And I mean, I can’t tell people if I’ve achieved that for a few more years yet, but I’m really hopeful. Yeah, I’m really hopeful. So I’m better now and I hope that it’s going to pay out into the future as well. I know the route if you don’t do this, and I hope that I can do a podcast with you in 20 years time and say, “Yeah, this is how fit I am right now.” That’s my goal. But I know where I would end up in 20 years if I didn’t do this because I see people go through that. I see the aches and pains become osteoarthritis, become all the painkillers and the physio, wasted time appointments, and then become the knee replacement and the hip replacement and become the restricted activities and all the other stuff that comes along with that; being overweight, becoming type 2 diabetic.
That’s the normal pathway. I see that every day. And sadly it’s very difficult to motivate people to get out of that pathway. People tend to just not believe me when I say what you need to find is posture and exercise. They sort of look at me and I get all these excuses from people, “Oh, I do exercise all day long at work. I do this and it’s active.” And I say, “Well, it’s not the right activity, I’m afraid.”
Nicole Parsons: Yeah. Well, you’ve walked the path. You’ve set your foundation. The initial six months is sort of the pain-free process that I go through and we’ve taken on another three, four months to with your fitness and activity goals. This is your foundation set. You’ve done the work, those neuromuscular pathways. You are interacting differently with your life.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah.
Nicole Parsons: Your work environment is set up differently and your body now has a … well, it’s a different body and it takes less maintenance to keep that body functional than it did to get it to reset itself back to full function or to functionally pain-free.
Luke Maddocks: I think that’s an important point is that actually I could have stopped working with you now. I’m working with you because I’ve got different goals in there. There are fitness goals that I now want to achieve. There are things that I didn’t think were possible for me a year or two ago. So we’re working on a much different schedule. It’s not as expensive and doesn’t … I didn’t speak to you as often as I did in those first few months, but I could have stopped after six months and I would have had the knowledge to keep myself pretty much pain-free and to keep myself aligned. We’ve now moved into something that’s different, which is about fitness goals.
Nicole Parsons: We’ve moved into the fun stuff lately.
Luke Maddocks: Yeah, we have.
Nicole Parsons: We decided onwards and upwards to the fun and exciting stuff. And that’s a choice; isn’t it? It may be for everyone and there may be people out there who do have an active background and that is really what they want, but it’s just saying that this is your journey and yeah. So thank you, Luke. Thank you so much for sharing that journey with me and with the listeners out there. And I hope that that’s inspiration for people of what is possible. And it’s saying that yes, you do have to put the time and commitment in but the rewards outweigh that 100 fold, in my humble opinion.
Luke Maddocks: It’s absolutely priceless. I feel so much better and I’m really grateful to you because I don’t know how I would have done it without you. I really don’t. So thank you.
Nicole Parsons: You are welcome. As I say, always good teamwork. So thank you, Luke. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for listening. If you have any questions that you would like to ask, please do get in contact with me at nicoleparsons.co.uk and you can fill in the contact form there and I offer a free 30 minute consultation to anybody who would like to discuss postural alignment therapy and if it would be a good fit for getting them pain-free and enjoying an active pain-free life. Thank you so much. See you soon. Bye.